Well, this is quickly going from horrible to much worse. Both sides will exploit the US' transitional period silence.

I think that this conflict will never end. It is based on grievances thousands of years old. Neither side will give in but it just so happens that Israel is better armed and actually has the firepower to end this conflict.

Israel should stop making everybody hate them...
but I can't see that coming with their government,
Israeli people know what's best for them... but their government are just a punch of as**s

Wa’d:

In the past few weeks, six Katyusha missiles have been fired from Lebanon into Israel, yet UNIFutILity did not report them as ”violations. The Lebanese government and Hizballah rushed to deny any responsibility. To my way of thinking, six Katyushas are more serious than 5 bullets, probably from an automatic weapon.

Today’s automatic weapons, with their high cyclic rates of fire, can not be used for single shots when set on automatic. Five rounds is pretty much the average burst for a soldier using this type of weapon. Any soldier who fires without orders should be disciplined, but those firing missiles into a neighboring country should certainly be stopped, not just ignored.

When do Arab countries begin to take responsibility for their actions?

Everybody seems pretty pissed off at Israel for bombing terrorist squads in Gaza, and I wonder, what if a single missile hit the USA from say Mexico. It would miss and all, but do you really think there would even BE a Mexico the next day?!
Israely cities are being bombed every day for 8 long years. 8 YEARS! And no response, so not to harm the innocent.
And by the way, yes, they did fire missiles from a school (an abandoned one) so that Israel would either not bomb it or they could go to the press saying they bombed a school.

Inthe history of the family of the prophet of Jacob/Israel (peace be upon him), we know that ten of his sons wanted to kill their siblings Joseph (Yusof) and Bunyamin. Maybe these cruel Israelis are the descendants of those 10 siblings of Joseph and good Israelis who are following the Torah are the descendant of Joseph and Bunyamin. Just imagine these people can even kill their own siblings. Please read Quran in Surah Yusof (Joseph, you will know how cruel the Israelis were.

Israel has lost all justification for its existance. WHEREelse but only in Israel ARMED SETTLERS can kick out a Palestinain neighbour and take over there house. ARMED SETTELRS kill Palestinians without fear or a TWINGE OF CONSCIENCE.PLEASE disband Israel and rehabilitate these zionist terrorists back to humanity.(I assume they can be cured).

Wa’d
what is happening is really terrible...and what happenned has no parallel...if fact why talk of the Holocust which was inflicted not by Arabs....

In fact history tells us that there were programs in all places in europe and russia...against the jews....never in Palestine...

It is the vested interests of world powers that is the root cause...how long will a man not react if he is being victimised everyday...

Wa’d:
“If this really is the case then Israel would have simply said that they were responding to the Lebanese missiles, rather than say that they were accidentally shut... doesn’t this make much more sense?”

You’re talking about five bullets from some soldier’s personal weapon while ignoring six 122 mm missiles blindly fired into Israel with malice. I wish I could understand your logic.

What probably happened was that some stupid soldier on guard thought he saw something suspicious and fired on it. To equate that with the deliberate firing of six missiles, each with a payload of 20 kilos or so is ridiculous, at best.

Wa’d
“Israel is more well supported ur right, but we can’t underestimate Hizbullah either, I mean, they have kicked Israel out of south Lebanon.”

Do you really believe this? It’s very dangerous to believe your own propaganda—world opinion and a UN resolution forced Israel to stop the fighting, even Hizballah “officials” have admitted that they would have had to surrender within another week.

Wa’d:
“Terrorist squads? more than 1300 died in Gaza, and Israel with its great mind could only kill 2 of Hamas leaders (which I believe are the elected government there), but no, they weren’t elected by America, so I guess that makes them terrorists, so much for ur democracy America”

Yes, Wa’d, terrorist squads. While Hamas was democratically elected to the Palestinian Authority government, is that the only criteria for democracy? Even you can’t claim that Hamas’ activities since its takeover of Gaza have been democratic. Democracy is not a one-time proposition, but an ongoing process, constantly re-evaluated.

Are the summary beatings, shootings and killings of Palestinians without trial and even without formal accusation by Hamas “democratic”?

Do you know that since its takeover, Hamas has killed and wounded more Palestinians than the IDF has—including the casualties for the recent Gaza operation? What kind of “democracy” is that? Here’s a video clip of some Palestinians in Israeli hospitals talking about Hamas’ “democratic” procedures…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BoH19b1TrZo&feature=related

Wa’d
I don’t have a problem with Jews... I have a problem with the losers who kicked me out of my country and continue to kill my people on a daily basis.

Really? Then why don’t you ever say a word about Muslims massacring Muslims (aren’t they ‘your people’ too?) in the Sudan, Nigeria, Indonesia and other places around the Muslim world?

Palestinians fire rockets from Gaza on a daily basis with the intent to kill, too. Where is their justification? If you claim they “have the right”, then Israel has the right to respond. That’s called “war”, I’m sorry if that’s too difficult for you to accept.

May I remind you that it was the Arab world that refused to allow the establishment of Israel, even on the pitiful amount of land defined in the 1947 partition plan? What you’re doing now is blaming Israel for not losing the war of 1948 like “good little Jews” instead of blaming your own leaders for failing in their declared ambition of “pushing the Jews into the sea”.

Now I’ll ask you:

1) If the Arab armies had won the war in 1948, do you believe there would be a Palestinian state, or would the relevant Arab countries (Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and Syria) have divided the territory up among themselves?

2) If the Arab armies had been victorious in 1948, would they have left a single Jew alive?

Sallah:
“The terrorist organization masquerading as the country called Israel needs to be brought to task for their repeated violations of international and humanitarian law.”

Sallah, as soon as Hizballah and Hamas are charged for their repeated violations of international and humanitarian law, so will Israel be charged. Under scrutiny in a court of law, Hizballah and Hamas will be judged far more harshly than Israel. Learn some international law before you make such demands… you just might get what you wish for, but you will not get the results you want… see what a retired British Colonel has to say about the matter:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WssrKJ3Iqcw

Harihan Iyyer:
“why talk of the Holocust which was inflicted not by Arabs....

“In fact history tells us that there were programs in all places in europe and russia...against the jews....never in Palestine...”

For the answer to this, read the Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husayni about the participation of Haj Amin al-Husseini in Hitler’s “Final Solution”.

You may also find these videos educational:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nd1dmD1Fry4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bNzTL4zu5Xg&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EAxrg7nMcs4&feature=related

The only reason that the Mufti did not execute a holocaust in the Middle East was that the Germans lost the war. The planning and intent were there, not only for the Jews of Palestine, but all the Jews in Arab lands, designed by Haj Amin al-Husseini, once “Grand Mufti of Jerusalem” and accused war criminal who died in exile in Cairo.

You should also learn about the anti-Jewish riots Haj Amin al-Husseini incited long before the Holocaust in Europe—as far back as 1920.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1920_Palestine_riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Palestine_riots

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Safed_massacre

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1936%E2%80%931939_Arab_revolt_in_Palestine

Was this acceptable? Wa’d, when you talk about “kicking people out of their homes” and killing them, remember that it was your own people’s intention to make that the fate of the Jews.

When will your leaders learn to take responsibility for their failures? If they had succeeded in 1948, there would be no Israel to blame… but there would still be no Palestinian state, either.

“You really seem to have your own history all mixed up with... something... just not sure what that thing is...”

That “thing” that disturbs you is called truth, Wa’d. Just because you don’t like it doesn’t mean it’s not true.

“I am not going to answer any of ur questions cz I don’t think in the ”if” context... lets stay in the here and now...”

No, let’s look at the ROOT causes that brought about the present situation. To ignore them is to avoid responsibility for them, exactly what the Arab world has been doing for the past 60+ years. IF the Arab armies had won the 1948 war, Jews would have been massacred, but no Palestinian state would have emerged. For that matter, during the 19 years that Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied the Gaza Strip, why didn’t the Palestinians demand a Palestinian state?

Face facts, Wa’d: you have been lied to, over and over again by your leaders, who are nothing but a gang of thieving, corrupt criminals.

“but if u have any decency whatsoever u would tell me right now that I have right to be living in Palestine... but,,, do u?”

You, who support the genocide of a people who did more to build up the land and make it productive in the past hundred years than the entire Muslim world did in over a thousand years of occupation, speak of decency? What “decency” caused the Arab League to bombastically state in the UN General Assembly that it would be “a slaughter not seen since the Mongol hordes entered Europe”?

“There is NO JUSTIFICATIONS FOR THAT... NONE...”

No, there is no justification for the Arab states attempting to “finish what Hitler started”. There is never any justification for the kind of mass murder that the Arab League planned to commit.

“from what I’ve read up there, ur way of thinking sounds like: oh we’re more powerful, they couldn’t kick us out so why don’t we do that... real civilized way of thinking... BRAVO”

Then you need a refresher course in reading comprehension. My message is this: YOU have tried to destroy us more than once, and we are still here, stronger than ever. YOU have tried to win it all and lost. DEAL WITH IT and get on with your lives.

What makes the 600,000 Arab refugees of 1948 so different from the 900,000 Jewish refugees expelled from Arab lands with nothing but one suitcase and the equivalent of $50? Only the fact that the Jewish refugees got on with their lives and made new ones wherever they went, while the Arab refugees sat in Arab-made refugee camps, educated in hatred for Israel when you should have been hating the Arab leaders who got you into the mess you’re in now.

“so ur still arguing with the same course of logic, you couldn’t do it to us, so we did it to u...”

Not logic, but historical precedent and the support of the UN Charter: countries that win a defensive war (remember, it was the Arab armies that attacked Israel, not the other way around) are allowed to keep their territorial gains—only wars of aggression may not prosper from their aggression.

“Now, I know my history very well, and I know that Jordan and Palestine were almost one country... I wouldn’t call that occupation, and if u read some more history of this region u wouldn’t call that occupation as well...”

Maybe you think so, but the Hashemite rulers of Jordan don’t. If the West Bank wasn’t occupied under Jordan and they “were almost one country” as you say, then why did the Jordanian authorities keep the Palestinians bottled up in refugee camps? Why didn’t they offer full and equal citizenship to all Palestinians if it was as you say? Why do Syria and Lebanon keep Palestinians in refugee camps, deny them education, employment and healthcare, to this day?

Personally, I think the way that the Palestinians allow the Arab countries to shit on them while they turn around to blame Israel is pathetic.

“I don’t hate the fact that u people live in Israel bcz I a being lied to, I have brains to think for myself...”

You have yet to convince me.

“I don’t live there anymore bcz I had to make space for ur family, now that’s real decent... and u are there bcz the west wanted to get rid of u all so they sent u over...”

Really? How nice of you to think so—but totally wrong. My family has branches that have lived in Israel for over 100 generations—before the time of the Romans. If anything, WE made room for YOUR family to live here, after Muslims invaded.

“what Israel had made in so little time was made bcz it is very well supported by the west (AKA: America)... if u were left to do it on ur own, u would have failed, trust me on this one...”

Why should I “trust you on this one”? Israel’s accomplishments in the fields of medicine, science, education, social welfare, industry and innovation have little to do with “western support” and everything to do with hard work, sweat and toil by Israelis, both Jewish and Arab.

“Now, I see that we are going in circles, and that u didn’t have the decency to say it out loud (write it) that I have more every right to be there, and no I don’t want to get over it simply bcz I don’t have to...”

Yes, we are going in circles, because you don’t add anything new or answer any of my questions.

“Oh, and there were Jews in Palestine prior to the existence of Israel, and no one killed or expelled them... so stop playing victim here...”

Google “Jewish refugees from Arab lands”. You’ll find that 900,000 Jews, more or less, were expelled from Arab lands. Here’s a list:

Country 1948 Jewish Population 2008 Jewish Population
Aden 8,000 0
Algeria 140,000 0
Bahrain 600 ~30
Egypt 80,000 http://www.jimena.org/

http://www.justiceforjews.com/

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_jews_why.php

900,000 Jewish residents of Arab countries is not a question of “playing the victim”, Wa’d, it is historical fact.

Most of the Jewish communities in the countries listed above existed long before the advent of Islam in the seventh century. What right did the Muslim governments have to expel them and steal everything they owned? If you deserve redress for your claims, so do they.

In addition, the Jewish community of Hebron, which had been there since Roman times was massacred in 1929 under the aegis of Haj Amin al-Husseini. The Jewish community of Gaza was massacred in 1936, during the Arab riots. In 1948, the Jewish Quarter of east Jerusalem was destroyed, as was the Etzion Bloc in the West Bank.

“Palestine has always been a holy place for all three religions...”

Then can you explain why Jordan didn’t make Jerusalem its capital city in 1948? Why did not one single Islamic dignitary or Arab head of state pay an official state visit to Jerusalem in all the years it was under Jordanian control? How many times is Jerusalem mentioned as a “holy place” to Islam in the Qur’an?

“thank you very much, and have a nice day in PALESTINE... take good care of it till I come and reclaim my house, will ya? ;)”

Well, if you come in peace, without threats and violence, we can talk about the possibility. Come with a gun and you’ll be met with force.

Now tell me, just how many generations of your family lived in Israel?

The numbers of expelled didn’t come out copmpletely, here it is again:

Aden: 8,000(1948); 0(2008)
Algeria: 140,000(1948); 0(2008)
Bahrain: 600(1948); ~30(2008)
Egypt: 80,000(1948); http://www.jimena.org/

http://www.justiceforjews.com/

http://www.palestinefacts.org/pf_independence_refugees_jews_why.php

I will try to post the numbers again later, I have to leave for now.

Trying a different format for expelled Jewish populations:

The 1948 Jewish population of Aden was 8,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was zero.
The 1948 Jewish population of Algeria was 140,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was zero.
The 1948 Jewish population of Bahrain was 600; in 2008 its Jewish population was about 30.
The 1948 Jewish population of Egypt was 80,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was less than 100.
The 1948 Jewish population of Iraq was 140,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was around 200.
The 1948 Jewish population of Lebanon was 15,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was less than 100.
The 1948 Jewish population of Libya was 38,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was zero.
The 1948 Jewish population of Morocco was 260,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was less than 7,000.
The 1948 Jewish population of Syria was 25,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was less than 30.
The 1948 Jewish population of Tunisia was 100,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was around 1,500.
The 1948 Jewish population of Yemen was 50,000; in 2008 its Jewish population was between 200 and 300.

Please don’t try to claim that there was no expulsion of Jews from the Arab countries, there’s far too much documentation for any denial to be accepted.

Other Muslim countries also expelled much or all of their Jewish population: Afghanistan (approximately 5,000), Iran (approx. 100,000) and Turkey (approx. 50,000).

It’s extremely relevant to learn about this, because it’s part and parcel of the concept called “Pan-Arabism” and a basic component of the Arab-Israeli conflict.

When the UN voted for the partition of Palestine, the Higher Arab Committee (now the Arab League) decided to expel the Jewish populations of the Arab countries in an attempt to flood the Jewish community with more immigrants than it could handle, causing the economic collapse of the country. The great majority of those Jews had no interest in leaving the countries of their birth and emigrating; it was forced on them as a tactic of war against Israel, just as the same Arab Higher Committee urged all Arabs in Palestine to leave the country, in order to give the invading Arab armies a “free-fire zone”. Since the Jewish refugees from Arab lands are also part of the Arab-Israeli conflict, there can be no just and lasting peace until their claims are settled. You, at least, have the option of placing a claim against the Israeli government for family assets, the Jewish refugees from Arab lands have no such option.

“I will not explain about other countries, but I can tell you that u need to read more about Jordan and the Hashemite family.”

Other than the fact that they were originally Saudi Arabians who lost their bid for the throne of Saudi Arabia after World War I, and were “given” the Palestine Mandate land east of the Jordan River as a consolation prize by the British, what else do I need to know? The Hashemite family is a latecomer to Palestine.

“I, as a Jordanian of Palestinian origin, am given citizenship, can study and get health care for free, and work as I wish, where I wish...”

From what I have read, accepting Jordanian citizenship entailed the waiver of all claims as a refugee. How can a person be both a citizen of one country and a refugee from another? This is a violation of international law.

“I don’t need to google anything, I very clearly stated: Palestine, not Arab countries, READ AGAIN...”

No, you don’t NEED to Google anything, but if you want to know the truth, you should. Are you afraid of learning something you don’t like, or is it just that you can’t handle the truth?

If you want to talk about Palestine, maybe you can answer these questions:

When was it founded and by whom?

What were its borders?

What was its capital?

What were its major cities?

What constituted the basis of its economy?

What was its form of government?

Can you name at least one Palestinian leader before Yasser Arafat?

Was Palestine ever recognized by a country whose existence, at that time or now, leaves no room for interpretation?

What was the language of the country of Palestine?

What was the prevalent religion of the country of Palestine?

What was the name of its currency? Choose any date in history and tell me what the approximate exchange rate of the Palestinian monetary unit against the US dollar, German mark, GB pound, Japanese yen, or Chinese yuan on that date was.

And, finally, since there is no such country today, what caused its demise and when did it occur?

You are lamenting the “low sinking” of a “once proud” nation. Please tell me, when exactly was that “nation” proud and what was it so proud of?

You won’t be able to answer these questions because Palestine was never an independent nation and its Arab residents did not have any unique culture or society that differentiated it from the surrounding Arab countries.

The Palestinian Authority admits that at least 68% of the Palestinian refugees left before Israel’s establishment, without ever seeing a Jewish soldier. This puts some doubt on the claim that “Israel expelled the Palestinians by force”.

“did u know that there are certain cities of Palestine which were considered as part of Jordan earlier in history? (bet u didn’t...)so when u talk about occupation, u need to pay attention to the ties that were already there between the two countries, and u’ll figure out why they didn’t demand a Palestinian state...”

That would be a very neat magical trick, since the concept of “Jordan” as a country didn’t even exist before 1921, when the British carved off about 80% of the Palestine Mandate to present to Abdullah. How can one thing be a part of something else that doesn’t exist yet?

“It surprises me how u were defending King Hussain in ur comment on Marco’s article the other day, and now u call him a ‘thief’ and a ‘liar’... schizophrenia???”

I will defend King Hussein’s behavior towards Israel as an honorable foe and a genuine friend once peace was made between Jordan and Israel. I will not defend his policies toward the Palestinians, and I don’t think he needs my defense. Remember, the PLO tried to take the rule of Jordan away from him in 1970, and he fought an all-out war with them, killing more Palestinians in that one year than Israel has killed in the last 40 years. Apparently it’s all right for Arabs to kill Palestinians, but not all right for others.

“Now, reading ur profile, I can see exactly what is wrong with u. a retired IDF? well I hope u pay for the souls of all the innocent people that u directly or indirectly killed... and guess what? YOU WILL PAY for it...
look around Torah, I am sure it says something about killing people...”

Is this more poor reading comprehension, dear? Like every other normal Israeli, I served 3 years of national service and did an annual reserve service until age 50. I’m also an industrial engineer, the father of two daughters and many other things. Being a soldier was not my profession, ever.

All my wounds are in front, and so are those of my enemies. To the best of my knowledge, I have never fired a gun or used a weapon on anyone who was not trying to kill me. How many Palestinian “militants” can say the same?

The Torah says, “Thou shalt not commit murder” (sixth commandment). It says nothing about killing in self-defense.

“What is so sad is that this whole thing is masked as a religious issue, while it is not, cz no religion allows what you people are doing...”

Since Islam doesn’t allow for the separation of church (mosque) and state, it has always been a “religious issue” on the Arab side. Read the Hamas Covenant to see what I mean: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp Pay special attention to Articles 11 & 13. It is all cloaked in Islamic “justifications” for mass murder.

“I have pictures of Jews in America protesting against the creation of the Israeli state.”

So do I. They’re mostly a fanatic sect called Neturei Karta who believe that they are the only “true Jews” in the world. Part of their belief is that Eretz Yisroël, as they call it, can only be established by the coming of the Messiah, not by the hand of man. The only real difference between Neturei Karta and Hamas is that the Neturei Karta don’t believe in killing people.

“Try to think about the cause u think or u pretend to be fighting for, and remember teachings from ur own religion, especially the parts that talk about stealing and killing, and if you still think what you’re doing is OK, then I can’t help you...”

There is a Hebrew saying, “Ganav me ganav patur”, meaning, “He who steals from a thief is not stealing”. Arabs stole the land of Israel from others, who stole it from the Jews, so I don’t think that there’s much to discuss here. Even your own Qur’an admits that the land of Israel is the “Land of the Jews”. Is it a crime to take back what was yours from the thief?

Why on earth should I “need your help”? On the contrary, if you really want a Palestinian state that can exist alongside Israel, then YOU should be seeking MY help. On the other hand, if your ambition in life is to see a Palestinian state replacing Israel, then I can’t help you…

I’m sorry if you feel upset, it’s been rather amusing for me. I still have a few questions, which I’m sure you’ll avoid answering, just as you’ve avoided answering most of them...

The fact that Jordan has treated the Palestinians better than other Arab countries doesn’t mean they’ve been treated well by Jordan, either. Can you see the difference? Are you willing to see the difference?

Under international law, a refugee is a stateless person. If you are a citizen of Jordan, then you’re not a stateless person. How can you be a refugee?

The 20th century saw over 100 million refugees created during its various wars, yet the only ones still refugees are the Palestinians. What gives Palestinians such special status?

Over the years I’ve spoken face to face with Egyptians, Lebanese and Jordanians, and heard things I didn’t like about my country– and, on researching, found some of them true, some half-true and some were outright lies. Yet each of those who told me believed what they were saying.

Do you have the courage to do your own research to find out what’s true, what’s half-true and what’s an outright lie? Your responses to date don’t show that you are, which is a pity, because there can be no real peace without understanding the roles of both parties in the conflict.

IF you’re one of those who insists on a Palestine without Israel, then you’ll be disappointed, because even if all Israeli Jews were to miraculously disappear into thin air overnight, the surrounding Arab countries would still not permit the establishment of a Palestinian state.

Israel hits Lebanon, It should be israel hits muslims, when we muslim will wake up to the fact that whatever other nations are doing to us is because of ourself. we left the Quran, we left Allah, we just talk and no action means NATO no action talk only. we muslims need to be brothers again and feel other brothers pain. If any muslim go to sleep hungry in any muslim country, we can't call the country muslim. jews always cause problems to prophets, who are we? do u understand them now.

Wa’d:

“I am gad u find that amusing, but I have a life, which is much more interesting that sitting in front of a screen and talk to u, so yea, I found that upsetting to be honest.”

What I find amusing is the avoidance on your part of any real attempt to debate anything… no attempt at rebuttal, no references, no quotes attributable to anyone, no support for your opinion, just free-floating statements with nothing to back them up.

“I dono what ur talking about Michael, just ask any Palestinian Jordanian and they’ll tell you that we all have Jordanian nationalities, and enjoy the same privileges that are enjoyed by Jordanians... the will tell you that Palestinians make almost 42% of Jordanian citizens.”

Have I denied that? What I said was simply this: a refugee is, by definition, a stateless person. A person with any country’s citizenship, again, by definition, is not stateless. Therefore, how can you be a Palestinian refugee?

“I am willing to learn the truth, but obviously, my truth is different than urs... ur not willing to hear my facts with things that are as obvious as Palestinians in Jordan, I mean, why would I lie about something like that? It can’t be faked, just ask around and u’ll see for urself.”

If you were to present any facts with supporting evidence (Internet links, books, newspapers or magazines referred to, reports by credible agencies, etc.) rather than just making unsupported statements and expecting others to believe them.

“Now obviously u love having the last word, so I was wondering if I say that ur correct, would u just get off my page?”

Your page? The moment you posted on instablogs, it became public domain. You have no right of possession, any more than I do, or the man in the moon does. The only right any of us has is to respond or not respond, as we choose. Have you ever bothered to read the Terms of Use? It doesn’t sound like it.

I don’t want you to say I’m right… I want you to view evidence from both sides of the conflict and reach your own reasoned conclusions as free from your preconceptions as you can. Nowhere have I said “I’m right and you’re wrong”, but I have presented conflicting evidence to some of your statements a number of times… which you do your best to ignore.

The “bottom line” is that there are rights and wrongs on both sides, something you seem unable to admit. Any meaningful debate has to present both sides, otherwise the debate becomes simple rhetoric and minds remain closed.

Open your mind—Israel is not “all wrong” and the Arabs are not “all right”. Once that is accepted, a meaningful dialogue can begin. Until that happens, there’s no chance for any kind of justice for anyone.