FACTS??!!

Oh, ok, here are some facts, if you insist.

1. Hamas installs almost ALL of its military, security and bomb-making facilities in the middle of heavily-populated civilian areas. Particularly near schools and hospitals.

2. There is absolutely no tactical or strategic reason for them to do so.

3. This means that Palestinian women and children die because of the callous and inhuman manipulation of civilians by Hamas extremists because they put them in the front line. Like cannon-fodder.

4. And they place their cameramen right next to the inevitable carnage.

5. And they film it.

6. Isn’t that cool?

7. Fact.

(And no, I am not pro-Isralien, just trying to see clear.....)

Michael

Palestinians need leadership and peace.

They do NOT need second-hand self-defeating and peurile propaganda stunts staged by religious desperados.

WAKE UP DOWN THERE!!!!!!!!

I object to the use of images of civilian casualties in war zones in cases where the victims are deliberately used as propaganda.

This is NOT a game.

This is NOT about child victims.

It’s about the cynical and deliberate SACRIFICE of children in a vicious war!!

Disgusting.

Those of you who wish to justify it shall no doubt continue do so.

Know, however, that I shall never condone this outrageous abuse of children, their pain, and their death.

Period.

Michael...
All I can say here is that analyzing politics is not the same as living it...

Sorry you feel this way!!!

The above is the result of the greatest misery and injustice done in recent times...

creation of Israel...

ousting a thriving nation to make room for migrants, who have turned despots with time...

I don’t have any logical explanation for this...

all I can do is to pray...and that always works!

I like the anger in your post...it sure drives home the message!

THANKS!

greetings for Michael who speaks of the facts, especially the main fact that sums your posts; there is a big gap between the east and the west and I am the one to blame– or you can blame the media. I just want you to know that I’m against our opinion not yourself.

actually, Hamas is not an inhuman manipulator of civilians, Hamas is the government ”democratically” elected by the civilians.

Now, all this talk about Hamas’s ”military, security and bomb-making facilities in the middle of heavily-populated civilian areas...” is fundamentally exaggerated, which I think is not your direct opinion, its merely a fabricated fact injected into many minds including Palestinians themselves.

like I’ve mentioned above, the military and security is actually formal police stations, and there is no ”pro-human” role that condemns you for installing those in certain places, that if we chose to ignore the fact that it doesn’t make any military sense at all, especially when you learn that after decades of fighting, this tactically advanced group has managed to survive inspite of the heavy blockade. What I’m saying is that the media which spreads these fabrications as a fact are either stupid or they think that their readers/watchers are stupid. concerning the bomb-making facilities, i guess we’re talking about that short iron cylinders filled with normal explosive, QED: handmade, and when these terror=producing weapon is lunched it ”wounds” two men sometimes ”seriously”.

I’m not advocating Hamas, but judging from my knowledge of military and warfare tactics, I just wanted to point at the significant fact concerning the balance of terror between the two parties.

There’s just no justification...
that’s all I have to say.
There’s no excuse and no explanation and no way this could be allowed to happen to innocent lives.

If this phenomena exists for pure propaganda-related purposes, then believing in it would be naive.

when at war, the tactical position of the troops should be decided based on the general plan taking in consideration the ability to repositioning, the enemy’s expected next move, and most importantly the logistic advantage. Verily, there is no logical explanation that explains the ”why” behind this phenomena, which will, inescapably, drive us to question the existence of the phenomena itself. Well unless if one wants to believe that Hamas is doing this for the sake of filming it and publish it in order to receive more compassion, or perhaps winning an Academy Award... this is absurd!

thanks in advance for your tolerance.

Greetings again,

perhaps my words seems to misinterpret its ideal counterparts.

This propaganda works this is obvious, but its main object is to alter the public views– this is a kind of media war. however, this reflects only a small portion of the truth.

Like I said installing the police stations near schools and/or hospitals (this is what I’m speculating about) is by no means a part of this media war, this is utter stupidity, it only serves propagating ideas like the one you talked about, which will eventually reverse the public views against Hamas.

again, this has nothing to do with war tactics (like you’ve depicted it in your first comment) and it works for the two sides of the propaganda, means its futile.

this makes Hamas look like a stupid, militarily overpowered, publicly infamous, militia that wages wars based on purely propaganda-based tactics, and this is a very absurd way to describe the situation.

the way i look at the Palestine issue is very simple...
Israel a small country surrounded by all the powerful gulf states....is acting like the bully in the region??

How ?? Why ?? Simple as Uncle Sam is behind him....

Uncle Sam is the best buddy (big customer) of all the Gulf Sheiks who sell him barrels of Oils... so while in public all the arab states condemn and say all kinds of things about Isreal ... the reality is they don’t have the BALLS to act against Uncle Sam...

So all these pictures are just good promo material for terrorist organizations to RAISE funding...and make money ... while the rich sheiks make money selling oil

Do i make sense?

on the pictures my point was that the arab world is not very serious about Palestinian people..and their plight.. just last week many of the Palestinian refugee camps in lebonan, syria etc. have reported that they are running out of funds and resources and dont have enough money to take care of the people..

everytime there is an incident big or small lot of people say mant things... but do little for the suffering of the people!

i dont really understand the debate going on here regarding the pictures ... i think words, pictures, videos and anything that might help convey what goes in conflict areas should be used to its fullest capacity . if you dont then you are helping isolate the victims further in an attempt to shelter the world from realizing the scale of brutality of what is going on there .... and if you ask me the world doesnt need anymore reason to pretend that this isnt happening .

How on earth could any sane and normal person on IB anonymously ”star” (promote) a ”post” which blatantly and deliberately misinforms opinion by saying that Tzipi Livni is ”insisting that Israel is not killing civilians in Gaza” and that she says that there are no civilian casualties in Gaza

Unless he/she does not believe the official press statement, relayed by the whole of the world’s press, which says;

(Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni said Sunday, ”The raids have been aimed at ”only military targets and places in which we know Hamas members are.
Unfortunately, in this kind of attack, there are some civilian casualties....”)

Also,

In the author’s comment on the article, we read that ””The (Israeli) air strikes (...) have killed hundreds of civilians.”

Doesn’t this person believe the official Palestinian Medical staff press statement, relayed by the whole of the world’s press, which says;

”The Palestinian death toll from the campaign has topped 300, most of them Hamas militants, Palestinian medical sources said Monday.”

I personally think that IB should add another option to its ”channel” button for submitting articles.

I suggest they call it ”Lies”.

(Ummm, just to say that the ”starred” article in question isn’t this one, but another one. Sorry for any confusion).

well let’s say that Hamas are using civilian areas for their ” terrorist” attacks as some claim (which is not true). Israel killing thousands of civilians on purpose. If they DO know that such areas are civilians then why to bomb it and kill palestinians? killing civilians make them the same as hamas the only diference there that Hamas has primitive rocks and they rarely harm any israeli and israel using phosphoric bombs that is illegal. oh.. the other difference is Hamas is fighting for their freedom and Israel kill to keep occupying the land. if they want peace as they claim then why they didn’t want to open the crossings? Gaza has been under siege even when there was a truce between both sides. if they had a truce (which israel broke like a million times) then why to keep palestinians under the siege? if their war is against Hamas and not the palestinians then why are they starving the palestinians? their war is against palestinians. They bombed the UNRWA on purpose. I heard Shimon Peres saying .. if hamas didn’t stop the rockets we’ll keep killing palestinians just the way we did in Lebanon” the idiot admitted their war is against all the palestinians. and for you Michael, if your country is occupied by another country, okay? then u tried to defend your country, does that make u a terrorist? Hamas is not responsible for one drop of blood because they are defending their country and Israel is the real terrorist there and the above pictures are the best proof for what I say. Thanks wa’d for this article :)

Quoting Taha: ”well let’s say that Hamas are using civilian areas for their ” terrorist” attacks as some claim (which is not true).”

>>>>>>>> http://newsblaze.com/story/20081229092838zzzz.nb/topstory.html http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/195676.php

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0108/breaking30.htm

http://olehgirl.com/?p=1726

http://www.ireland.com/home/Israel_Hamas_using_civilians_human_shields_Amnesty/maxiview.ie?mx_fast_NEWS_irishtimes.com_uuid=221450_irnewsirishtimes

http://blog.technonllc.com/index.php?/archives/17-Terrorists-Using-Civilians-as-Human-Shields.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hamas

http://members5.boardhost.com/medialens/msg/1231415160.html

http://tundratabloid.blogspot.com/2009/01/fresh-iaf-video-of-hamas-using.html

http://www.israelforum.com/blog_article.php?aid=1897561

The UN schools? well they were crowded with few thousands of palestinians. if they were killed then its not a big deal, they are worth nothing anyways, they are just palestinians.
IS the Israeli genocide in Gaza a war crime? hell no, it wasn’t their fault, it’s Hamas ’s fault because they wanted their freedom back. it’s their fault because they said ”NO” to Israel where no one country in the world dared to oppose israel. (*i is being cynical too)
I hope i was as funny as Michael :)

Moreover, I am out of here.

”Tricking” civilians into killing them.

How disgusting can you get.

Violence in any form must be condemn and its not the solution.Whether its America,Russia,Israel or Pakistan,which perpetuate any kind of violence or terror and try to justify them on any ground must be condemn by the global population.

The images speak for themselves. Horrible.

Whatever, today’s killing of Hamas’s Interior Minister Said Siam has put the writing on the wall.

Israel knows where Hamas leaders are, and will kill them, one by one, in order to ramp up the pressure for capitulation during the current negotiations.

This is endgame time.

The sooner it all stops, the better.

(Cut ’n’ stuck? Sure. What ELSE is there to say?!)

PEACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

”His (Said Siam’s) blood will be the fuel for the coming victory,” according to a statement on Al-Aqsa TV by a Hamas spokesman.

I think any decent and peace-loving Palestinian should denounce this ridiculous and irresponsible statement.

HAMAS, PLEASE STOP THE KILLING!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Oh my God!! Wa’d why did you post these lying pics? ”There is no evidence of indiscriminate and massive killing of civilians in Gaza as far as I know, unless you have other information.....”!!!!!!!!!!!!!!??????

Michael,

”Israel knows where Hamas leaders are, and will kill them, one by one”

”it’s time for Hamas to accept that it shall not exist in its present state for long”

”Died in vain.Exactly.Now go think about WHY they died”.

AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO POSTED SOMEWHERE THAT THOSE WHO SAY ISREAL MUST BE DESTROYED ARE NUTS ..... AND SAYING ONLY 140 DIED AT MUMBAI IS SO HORRIBLE.

is this a Brit thinking or a H...oops sorry german...

Michael’
I don’t have a sister.And as you said in another one of your gloriously self praising posts you just discovered one.Perhaps your mentality reflects the designs you have on her- or did you implement them?

I just remembered another one of your cute British sayings;”the thought reflects the person behind it” -how true.

well... My Grandmother is German... But I refuse to be offended by these comments. Germany is one of the most beautiful countries in Europe and well preserve culture too... Nothing to be ashamed... However, I know where Michael came from and the attacks about his ethnicity was a low blow... quite low.

Israel has killed the Hamas’ number 3 man a few hours ago... destroyed the UN headquarters and another 7 Palestinians lives in the process, what make me wonder if IDF is careless or inconsequent. Either way, we know they are outlawed already.

I have no sides and have placed my opinion on numerous times defending and condemning both ends... Hamas for starting something of this scale and Israel for creating such catastrophe. Also, the United States for providing diplomatic back-up and sanctioning any peace process.

For those who are not aware, The American government gives Israel 6 billion dollars in aid every year (3 billion to buy weapons and 3 billions to maintain the economy afloat) making Israel the largest welfare and warfare state in the world. The deal with Israel is simple... Is to keep fighting doesn’t matter whom. It is not about defence, especially because Israel is always attacking and not defending. Israel ”defends” in foreign territory as matter of fact.

The 3 billion dollars designated to buy weapons from the USA, keeps the American Military production with jobs. Without battles and skirmishes to fight, The American economy would be in crises (and is already is with 1 in 58 Americans losing their homes). Israel is just the side-kick. On the other hand, Israel used the American money against their masters by setting up a network of Public relations around the American Press... far the Israelis are concerned, as long they keep the Average American brainwashed, the money will continue to flow. It works quite well since mostly the American population is below in average in regards to international information, basically, they are ignorant.

The balance is matched by the new merging powers such as Brazil, India and China who are starting to challenge the American Foreign Diplomacies. Brazil for example is sending food to Gaza as I type and has offered troops to the United Nations to create a border patrol between the lines of conflict. Brazil is also the basket of the world. They can afford to supply food to Gaza until the United Nations wake up.

The fact is that the world is changing and Israel protection won’t last forever. Without a stable economy Israel also become another Gaza strip.

I am pro-peace. But I am also pro-justice and Israel is committing crimes against Humanity. The bombing of the UN headquarters don’t surprise me... Or add Brazil to the security council to challenge the USA or remove the security council at all because one thing Americans certainly don’t want is peace, be it in Gaza or elsewhere.

Hassan, Taha... I am not following your ”double standards” comments. I believe you two are quite confused about geopolitics and are just supporting one side for the sake of your own ethnicity.
”One eyed blind man has only half of the story...”